Comments on: What I Found In My (Mental) Closet http://jeffsaddmind.com/what-i-found-in-my-mental-closet-540.htm If ADD Is A Gift...Can I Return It For Something Else? Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:55:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Scott Hutson http://jeffsaddmind.com/what-i-found-in-my-mental-closet-540.htm/comment-page-1#comment-25691 Scott Hutson Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:49:36 +0000 http://jeffsaddmind.com/what-i-found-in-my-mental-closet-540.htm#comment-25691 Jennifer, please don't take my comments/replies as a debate or disagreement with your opinion. I was only giving my personal experience about reading things via. Internet websites about ADHD. Then Jeffs comment that pointed out how some websites can be harmful to people like me, when first searching for information on any subject, reminded of my own naivety. I knew nothing about ADHD before I was diagnosed with it. I've learned allot about myself by hearing(reading) the way ADHD has affected the lives of other ADDers. It's more than a coincidence that many(most) of these life story's are much the same as my own. We are all individuals of course, and have different reaction's to medication's, treatment's and so on. But when push comes to shove for me,..My life depends on the Expert's (My Dr.(s)). Jennifer, please don’t take my comments/replies as a debate or disagreement with your opinion. I was only giving my personal experience about reading things via. Internet websites about ADHD.

Then Jeffs comment that pointed out how some websites can be harmful to people like me, when first searching for information on any subject, reminded of my own naivety. I knew nothing about ADHD before I was diagnosed with it. I’ve learned allot about myself by hearing(reading) the way ADHD has affected the lives of other ADDers. It’s more than a coincidence that many(most) of these life story’s are much the same as my own.

We are all individuals of course, and have different reaction’s to medication’s, treatment’s and so on. But when push comes to shove for me,..My life depends on the Expert’s (My Dr.(s)).

]]> By: Jeff http://jeffsaddmind.com/what-i-found-in-my-mental-closet-540.htm/comment-page-1#comment-25690 Jeff Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:59:21 +0000 http://jeffsaddmind.com/what-i-found-in-my-mental-closet-540.htm#comment-25690 Jennifer, let me first say that, overall, we are in basic agreement. Yes...we should hear all sides (even the tea partiers!) and yes, we should hear other opinions besides BP Oil. The only "however" is that it does reach a point when some opinions or "findings" no longer make sense and that's really my major point. There are some people who continue to make outlandish claims and such claims should not be given an audience...it legitimizes what should not be legitimized. "If you need to depend on an expert, thats your doctor, not any website." Agreed. However, that's not the case for many people. They check the internet first and, as you've probably already encountered in your practice, they start spouting wrong information. Jennifer, let me first say that, overall, we are in basic agreement. Yes…we should hear all sides (even the tea partiers!) and yes, we should hear other opinions besides BP Oil. The only “however” is that it does reach a point when some opinions or “findings” no longer make sense and that’s really my major point. There are some people who continue to make outlandish claims and such claims should not be given an audience…it legitimizes what should not be legitimized.

“If you need to depend on an expert, thats your doctor, not any website.” Agreed. However, that’s not the case for many people. They check the internet first and, as you’ve probably already encountered in your practice, they start spouting wrong information.

]]> By: Jennifer http://jeffsaddmind.com/what-i-found-in-my-mental-closet-540.htm/comment-page-1#comment-25689 Jennifer Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:22:58 +0000 http://jeffsaddmind.com/what-i-found-in-my-mental-closet-540.htm#comment-25689 Well, Im not talking about depending on anything. Nothing on this site in question is anything that hasn't been covered on cnn, fox, whatever other site. They just provide a convenient place for the ADHD stuff to rise to the top so if you work with ADHD kids, like me, you can see everything - the pharm companies, the weird and crazy ppl with their teas, etc - everything. They (the site) just keep an eye out for the ADHD buzzwords and aggregate what they find. Even if the crazy natural remedy ppl get a voice, its ok. The FDA and Pharm co's shouldn't have all the say on an important issue like this, parents should know there are options. Its interesting reading to me. If they bashed the pharm companies, then I'd feel different. I work with ADHD kids and I have seen parents choose to try the bio-feedback neuro-feedback route and have great success. I've seen kids that only the meds will help. Its just as dangerous in my opinion to let the big pharm and fda say the "only" way is the meds. I had one child who took a very popular ADHD drug and he ended up with very twisted self destructive thoughts until he stopped the meds. They went with neuro-feedback and hes doing pretty well. Not quite where i think he should be but with the steady improvement i cant complain! Some people alleviate their diabetes as well as their need for insulin with diet changes alone. This is no secret. Some people lower their cholesterol and blood pressure with magnesium, oatmeal and green tea. As with the ADHD stuff, this wont work for everyone, but why not give ppl the info to try what works best for them? It was almost 30 years ago when I was diagnosed with ADHD and the first thing they did was look at my brain waves. Only Ritalin was available then. We have come very far since then on the ADHD research, but that is ONLY because researchers looked at EVERYTHING. If a certain "tea" is claimed to show improvements in ADHD kids, its worth looking at - even if only to formulate a new drug that might work better or have fewer side effects. I guess to me, it would be like only listening to what BP has to say about the oil spill, or getting all your political information from White House press releases and State of the Union addresses. If you need to depend on an expert, thats your doctor, not any website. If you want to know what the buzz is on any topic, keep your eyes and ears wide open, and your brain in gear, and you should be ok. Well, Im not talking about depending on anything.

Nothing on this site in question is anything that hasn’t been covered on cnn, fox, whatever other site. They just provide a convenient place for the ADHD stuff to rise to the top so if you work with ADHD kids, like me, you can see everything – the pharm companies, the weird and crazy ppl with their teas, etc – everything. They (the site) just keep an eye out for the ADHD buzzwords and aggregate what they find.

Even if the crazy natural remedy ppl get a voice, its ok. The FDA and Pharm co’s shouldn’t have all the say on an important issue like this, parents should know there are options.

Its interesting reading to me. If they bashed the pharm companies, then I’d feel different. I work with ADHD kids and I have seen parents choose to try the bio-feedback neuro-feedback route and have great success. I’ve seen kids that only the meds will help.

Its just as dangerous in my opinion to let the big pharm and fda say the “only” way is the meds. I had one child who took a very popular ADHD drug and he ended up with very twisted self destructive thoughts until he stopped the meds. They went with neuro-feedback and hes doing pretty well. Not quite where i think he should be but with the steady improvement i cant complain!

Some people alleviate their diabetes as well as their need for insulin with diet changes alone. This is no secret. Some people lower their cholesterol and blood pressure with magnesium, oatmeal and green tea.

As with the ADHD stuff, this wont work for everyone, but why not give ppl the info to try what works best for them?

It was almost 30 years ago when I was diagnosed with ADHD and the first thing they did was look at my brain waves. Only Ritalin was available then.

We have come very far since then on the ADHD research, but that is ONLY because researchers looked at EVERYTHING. If a certain “tea” is claimed to show improvements in ADHD kids, its worth looking at – even if only to formulate a new drug that might work better or have fewer side effects.

I guess to me, it would be like only listening to what BP has to say about the oil spill, or getting all your political information from White House press releases and State of the Union addresses.

If you need to depend on an expert, thats your doctor, not any website.

If you want to know what the buzz is on any topic, keep your eyes and ears wide open, and your brain in gear, and you should be ok.

]]> By: Scott Hutson http://jeffsaddmind.com/what-i-found-in-my-mental-closet-540.htm/comment-page-1#comment-25686 Scott Hutson Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:59:49 +0000 http://jeffsaddmind.com/what-i-found-in-my-mental-closet-540.htm#comment-25686 Depending on an expert> Heres just a few(out of the 32) Assement Procedures that my Neuropsycholocical Evaluation involved> Conners'Continual Performance Test II,Mini-Mental State Exam,Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory,Brief Visuospatial Memory Test Second Edition,Rey 15 Item Test,Wechler Adult Intelligence Scale-Third edition....There's 18 pages in my evaluation, that I am just now starting to read from 11/19/2007(procrastination?LOL). I'm lucky, in a way I guess, to have insurance that payed 100% of it.(long story about how and why). But Adult ADHD was the diagnose. And stimulant meds have helped allot. No side effects here. Exercise was recommended (along with a many other things). So I recommend (along with Jeff)> Don't depend on websites to state the facts about ADHD Depending on an expert> Heres just a few(out of the 32) Assement Procedures that my Neuropsycholocical Evaluation involved> Conners’Continual Performance Test II,Mini-Mental State Exam,Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory,Brief Visuospatial Memory Test Second Edition,Rey 15 Item Test,Wechler Adult Intelligence Scale-Third edition….There’s 18 pages in my evaluation, that I am just now starting to read from 11/19/2007(procrastination?LOL). I’m lucky, in a way I guess, to have insurance that payed 100% of it.(long story about how and why).

But Adult ADHD was the diagnose. And stimulant meds have helped allot. No side effects here. Exercise was recommended (along with a many other things). So I recommend (along with Jeff)> Don’t depend on websites to state the facts about ADHD

]]> By: Jeff http://jeffsaddmind.com/what-i-found-in-my-mental-closet-540.htm/comment-page-1#comment-25685 Jeff Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:23:44 +0000 http://jeffsaddmind.com/what-i-found-in-my-mental-closet-540.htm#comment-25685 Jennifer, while there are times when it is good to report on everything, there are times when one needs to make a judgment. If this were 30 years ago when we didn't know much about ADHD (certainly not adult ADHD) then reporting everything would make sense. But reporting bad information has the effect of legitimizing it. That's the unfortunate by-product of the internet. Every theory - from flat earth to the Elder's of Zion - is "legitimized" simply by existing somewhere on the internet and allowing "informed" readers to make their own decision. Sometimes all of us need to depend on an expert. We just can't know everything. Jennifer, while there are times when it is good to report on everything, there are times when one needs to make a judgment. If this were 30 years ago when we didn’t know much about ADHD (certainly not adult ADHD) then reporting everything would make sense. But reporting bad information has the effect of legitimizing it. That’s the unfortunate by-product of the internet. Every theory – from flat earth to the Elder’s of Zion – is “legitimized” simply by existing somewhere on the internet and allowing “informed” readers to make their own decision. Sometimes all of us need to depend on an expert. We just can’t know everything.

]]> By: Jennifer http://jeffsaddmind.com/what-i-found-in-my-mental-closet-540.htm/comment-page-1#comment-25684 Jennifer Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:01:23 +0000 http://jeffsaddmind.com/what-i-found-in-my-mental-closet-540.htm#comment-25684 Ive been to electrifly.net and they are very "newsy" they tend to report on EVERYTHING all sides of the issue. I first went there via a link they did with a doctor on the subject ( http://www.electrifly.net/reasearch-and-information/52-doctors-and-other-professionals/124-dr-mintz-talks-adhd.html ) which I found very interesting. I get the feeling after spending a bit of time on the site that they just want to be a "news" source, thus covering all aspects, and anything of interest on the site. They used to have comments which have since been removed presumably due to the arguments that took place there. I check it every day tho - its my field of work and I find it an interesting read with my morning coffee. Jenn Ive been to electrifly.net and they are very “newsy” they tend to report on EVERYTHING all sides of the issue. I first went there via a link they did with a doctor on the subject ( http://www.electrifly.net/reasearch-and-information/52-doctors-and-other-professionals/124-dr-mintz-talks-adhd.html ) which I found very interesting.

I get the feeling after spending a bit of time on the site that they just want to be a “news” source, thus covering all aspects, and anything of interest on the site. They used to have comments which have since been removed presumably due to the arguments that took place there.

I check it every day tho – its my field of work and I find it an interesting read with my morning coffee.

Jenn

]]> By: Jeff http://jeffsaddmind.com/what-i-found-in-my-mental-closet-540.htm/comment-page-1#comment-25680 Jeff Mon, 12 Jul 2010 13:25:31 +0000 http://jeffsaddmind.com/what-i-found-in-my-mental-closet-540.htm#comment-25680 Well...there's no such thing as "recovery" but there is definitely the possibility of ameliorating its effects. I went to your website and noticed that the information you have, such as the supposed ill effects of stimulant medication is off the mark. Not that there can be no side effects...but you make it sound like there are ALWAYS side effects...that is not correct. In fact, much research has shown positive long-term effects of stimulant medication so, when you write "Herbal supplements, vitamins, teas and minerals are excellent alternatives to taking prescription medications for treating the symptoms of ADHD" this is misleading. (http://www.electrifly.net/reasearch-and-information/53-general-adhd-information/216-natural-treatments-for-adults-with-adhd-.html ) For an extraordinarily tiny group of ADHDers this may work but for the vast majority...this is does not work. If you have some science to back up your assertions...please...share it. I have no problem with being proven wrong. I should add that I do agree with you when you mention the positive effects of physical activity (http://electrifly.net/add-and-adhd/38-tips-and-advice/213-children-with-adhd-or-add-will-benefit-from-physical-activities.html ). But then...EVERYONE would benefit from physical activity. Well…there’s no such thing as “recovery” but there is definitely the possibility of ameliorating its effects. I went to your website and noticed that the information you have, such as the supposed ill effects of stimulant medication is off the mark. Not that there can be no side effects…but you make it sound like there are ALWAYS side effects…that is not correct. In fact, much research has shown positive long-term effects of stimulant medication so, when you write “Herbal supplements, vitamins, teas and minerals are excellent alternatives to taking prescription medications for treating the symptoms of ADHD” this is misleading. (http://www.electrifly.net/reasearch-and-information/53-general-adhd-information/216-natural-treatments-for-adults-with-adhd-.html ) For an extraordinarily tiny group of ADHDers this may work but for the vast majority…this is does not work. If you have some science to back up your assertions…please…share it. I have no problem with being proven wrong.

I should add that I do agree with you when you mention the positive effects of physical activity (http://electrifly.net/add-and-adhd/38-tips-and-advice/213-children-with-adhd-or-add-will-benefit-from-physical-activities.html ). But then…EVERYONE would benefit from physical activity.

]]> By: adhd http://jeffsaddmind.com/what-i-found-in-my-mental-closet-540.htm/comment-page-1#comment-25679 adhd Mon, 12 Jul 2010 13:06:17 +0000 http://jeffsaddmind.com/what-i-found-in-my-mental-closet-540.htm#comment-25679 um, great post about attention deficit disorder.Have a series of important reason of adhd.These link is very helpful for the community to find the solution of adhd and recover from this serious problrm. Thnks a lot. I am also working with adhd.It is such human work. um, great post about attention deficit disorder.Have a series of important reason of adhd.These link is very helpful for the community to find the solution of adhd and recover from this serious problrm.
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